Monday, September 12, 2011

Estimate of whole treatment - MEDANTA HOSPITAL

Please Note: The below info is couple of year old now.. and rates must have been revised.
If you have latest info, feel free to share here .

Thank you Ashish Saxena * for sharing the info.



Medanta Medicity Hospital
Sector 38, Gurgaon.
The multi-speciality hospital (also known as Dr Trehan's hospital) is just about 2yrs old but already among the top hospitals in Delhi in terms of facilities as well as the renowned doctors on its panel. It has become the hospital of choice for many because of the following:
Heart Institute with Dr Naresh Trehan(world renowned cardiologist, http://www.medanta.org/DoctorProfile.aspx?Key=52)
Gastroentology Department with Dr Sud (renowned gastroentologist, http://www.medanta.org/DoctorProfile.aspx?Key=91)
Cancer Institute with Dr Ashok Vaid (renowned oncologist, http://www.medanta.org/DoctorProfile.aspx?Key=51)
Also, the team of doctors in each department have been handpicked from other good hospitals such as AIIMS, Ganga Ram, Max, Fortis, Rajiv Gandhi Cancer Instt. etc
Coming back to Cancer treatment, and more specifically Leukemia, the patient will be looked after by Dr Rahul Bhargava (ex-AIIMS SR) and Dr Ashok Vaid. (Dr Sachin, Dr Bhanu and Dr Jyoti will come into picture if the patient has cancerous growth /tumors etc). Each of the consultants in Dr Ashok Vaid's team are proven experts in their own field and highly competent. The Cancer Institute OPDs and patient ward is situated on the 10th floor.
Room costs (as of 1st Aug'11):  Rs 6000.00 per day for single room
                                               Rs 3500.00 for twin sharing room
All the medicines and non-consumables are provided in-house by the hospital and is made available by the nursing staff right in your room. So only one attendant is sufficient for the hospital stay. There is a couch and bedding(sheets, blanket and pillow) provided to the attendant as well. A Sony LCD TV is provided for each patient with 30+ channels to keep them busy! The rooms are cleaned 2-3 times a day and all of the hospital premises is very much clean and hygenic as per international standards(have been to hospitals in Melbourne and London, hence the comparison)
The formal visits by the team of doctors in each room happens 2 times a day and charges are Rs 600 per visit. So, Rs 1200 per day is the additional cost every patient has to inccur besides the room cost. The doctors also keep visiting informally just to see how patients are doing in case of high fever etc and other complications (at no extra cost) and as per my experience they are highly comitted towards their patients.. (surprise visits at midnight are quite common!)
The cost of treatment at Medanta depends upon complications during the treatment.
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Below is a general estimate for an AML patient:
Minimum cost per chemo cycle will be around 2.8lacs (twin sharing room) and about 3.5lacs (single room).
So a minimum cost for 4 cycles of chemo will come to around 12-14lacs assuming all 4 chemo cycles go smooth with no infection, complications, no tumors etc
Note: the first chemo cycle will also have charges of the 2-3 cytogenic tests performed (each costing about 10k) plus the tests performed (CT scan, Xray etc) to look for other cancerous growths/abnormality) in the body, so add another 50-60k for this in addition to the cost of the chemo cycle.
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Any infections/ complications can escalate the costs by atleast 50k or more and on an average of 1.5 -2lacs. So the patient and attendant should take all precautions necessary (masks, hand rub etc) to ward of infection (especially during the neutropenic period). Visits by relatives should be highly discouraged and avoided as far as possible.
For an AML patient there is a minimum of 20-22days of hospital stay per cycle. In case of infection and complications the stay is extended.
Bone marrow/ stem cell transplant at Medanta:
Medanta has a specialised transplant center on 11th floor where only related marrow transplants are carried out. Since, Medanta is still a new hospital so it is not yet authorised to do MUD (Matched Unrelated Donor) Transplants (as of 1st Aug'11). However, we have been told that within the next 6mths to 1yr, it will get this authority. However, the doctors here already have a wealth of expertise and experience to do the transplants (already being done for patients having related donor matches).
HLA profiling and typing at Medanta:
It is highly recommended to have the HLA profiling and matching done from Histogenetics USA (as per Shashank's earlier posts).
As per my experience, the HLA lab at Medanta is very expensive (10.5k for basic HLA matching between one sibling, another 10.5k for taking patient's sample for matching. So we spent about 21k just for finding whether I am a match for my brother and still had no complete HLA profile of my brother to initiate the search in international marrow registries).

Saturday, September 10, 2011

Fund Raise & Estimate of whole treatment - I

Fund Raising & Cost Estimation of Total Treatment - I

This is the major issue during treatment of AML,

The approximately cost of treatment ( Set of 4 chemo's ) will cost you somewhere around 8-10 lakhs (depends upon the complications during chemo cycles.)
* Cost during treatment in AIIMS

In Private hospitals like Medanta, or Gangaram, BL Kapur the cost may rise to 12-15 lakhs
* I know a person who got treatment in Medanta, luckily the escape chemo on minimum antibiotic (FORCON)


If you are planning to go for Bone Marrow Transplant, then budget will depend upon whether you get a match  in your family or not.
 Lets assume if you get a match in your family (Sibling) then its the best case scenario where you can go for BMT  in less then 11 Lakhs ( in AIIMS with minimum complication), lets assume 20 Lakhs in private hospital.

 If you did not get match in your family, you can go for Unrelated Marrow Transplant (MUD - Transplant)
1) If you get a match in GERMANY - MUD will cost you 25-30 Lakhs in CMC Vellore (AIIMS is not doing MUD currently)
2) IF you get a match in US/CANADA/UK/AUSTRALIA - MUD will cost you around 50-60Lakhs.


In short Total expense would be close to


  • Simple Chemo cycle - 10Lakhs
  • Relapsed then Chemo Cycle --> 5-20Lakhs (cost us around 22Laks)
  • BMT > Match in family > 10-15Laks                   ----- Total would be 10+10+60+5 = 85 Lakhs*
  • BMT > MUD > Germany match > 25-30Lakhs   ----- Total would be 10+10+25+5 = 50 Lakhs*                                               
  • BMT > MUD > Other then Germany > 60Lakhs  ----- Total would be 10+10+60+5 = 85 Lakhs*


Take approx 5 Lakhs rupees for accommodation, travelling, and other post transplant cost.

Usually people go for Donation and seeks people help.


People like Gaurav Tondon got nearly 1 crore as donation ( http://www.helpgaurav.com)
Please do get in touch with him, i am quite sure he will guide you in this process.


My another good friend (Ashish Saxena - email: ax.ash@gmail.com is also working on this for his brother.  


Other good link (will surely cover more on this)  - http://www.wikihow.com/Fundraise-for-Charity


Other Links: http://www.causes.com/campaigns/62194?cause_id=224871



Friday, August 12, 2011

Gaurav Tondon - Guideline for a Bone Marrow Transplant

Guideline for a Bone Marrow Transplant - from Day 1 (taken from gaurav's website - www.helpgaurav.com, the same doc can be downloaded in the Excel Format from here ( Download and take print out ***Highly recommended)


Gaurav - "

* These guidelines are based on my experience. Not to be taken as a formal medical advice. Consult your doctor for the same. Please feel free to contact me if you have any doubts. Gaurav Tandon +91-9586550304(M) email: reply_gt@yahoo.com www.helpgaurav.com


You have chronic fatigue, unexplained fever, frequent infections, difficulty in blood clotting, weight loss. These may be symptoms of a serious underlying blood disease.

Day 0
Your CBC test/Bone Marrow tests Reveals that you have Blood Disease (AML/CML/ALL/CLL, etc). It could be a New case or Relapse.
You need Chemotherapy. In many cases it cures you, but in many others it'll just buy you time till further treatment like transplant.


Which Hospital / Doctor? Take a day or two to decide. Do a quick homework on which is the best hospital/doc. It's not necessary to ??
go with the same oncologist/haematologist who detected it.


Day 1
Send your bone marrow/blood slides for Cytogenetic Report. These are chromosome level details to help the doctors decide if you need a transplant (FISH & Conventional Reports)

Many doctors don't do this step immediately.

Day 2
Start your Chemo cycles. Be brave & positive. You are lucky to have the chance to fight for your life unlike many who don't.

Family also needs to be equally strong & positive. Truly these days the chemo drugs & their side-effects are quite manageable.

Don't wait for Cytogenetic report (takes 10-15 days). Go for 6-Factor HLA test for yourself and that of your blood relatives. It costs around Rs 6000 per person.

Here again, many doctors don't tell you clearly if you need a transplant or not based on cyto reports. Ask them clearly. You must take 2nd / 3rd opinion from other onco/haematologists.


Day 13
Doctors confirm that you need transplant (based on cytogenetic report)

Is it Autologous Transplant (your own bone marrow transplanted to you)? If yes, then discuss with the doc the possibility of quick transplant without completing all chemo cycles.

Since you are the donor yourself, you need around 8-10 Lacs for this. There are many good hospital which do it in India. A word of caution, chances of relapse even after Auto transplants are very high in my view.

But complications and cost are lowest here.

If not Autologous then it's Allogenic (someone else's bone marrow to you). Now whose bone marrow? Related persons or Unrelated persons (MUD)?

By this time your 6-Factor HLA reports must have come.

Is there is sibling match (6/6 or 5/6 factors or Half)? If Yes, then again discuss the possibility of a quick transplant without first going through all chemo cycles. Since you have a

donor (your relative), you need around 10-15 Lacs for this. There are many good hospital which do it in India.


Day 15

If No, then you need a Matched Unrelated Donor (MUD) Transplant. Very expensive & complicated but safest bet for a cure amongst the three (in my opinion).

Now you have two things to take care of. Number 1 is "finding the donor who is willing and fit to donate" and Number 2 is "collecting money". Both these activities must be carried out in parallel from today.

Immediately, with the help of your doctor, send your blood (DNA sample) to Histogenetics Lab in the USA for a 10-Factor HLA report. It'll cost you around Rs 12000-15000 (including courier charges). A word of advice, get your 10-factor HLA report even if doctors say you DON'T need a transplant. It costs only Rs 12-15000 but will help you tremendously incase the doctors are wrong in predicting and you DO need a transplant a few months down the line. Insist that the doctors also do primary search with NMDP but they MAY not agree. It's still OK.

It'll take around 10-15 days to get 10-Factor HLA report.

Approach CPAA, ICRA, etc to put up your profile on their website for people to be able to donate funds. Make your blog on blogger/blogspot. Put all the necessary details (ref to helpgaurav.com). Blogs are free. You can like it to facebook, twitter, orkut, etc. More on fund raising a little later.

Your 10-Factor HLA report has come (A, B, C, DRB1, DBQ1).

Now you'll have to start the process of decide on which transplant center, TC (CMC Vellore is my 1st choice today) to go to for MUD. Have they done MUD before, if yes how many, what's the success rate?

Parallely speak to organisations like SAMAR, AADP etc in USA for conducting donor drives to increase your chances of finding a matched donor.

They'll put your profile on their website after doing some necessary paper work and conduct drives for you. Trust me it's worth the effort.


Day 25-30

It's one of the most difficult decisions. You need lots of time & data to arrive at the answer.

Like what's the amount I can raise before the transplant is carried out?

Apart from money, emotional & family support and logistical ease are the most important aspects during & post transplant. Keep this in mind when deciding.

For transplant alone, going to UK or Israel or Australia will cost you a minimum of 1Cr to 1.5 Cr. USA will cost you a minimum of 2.5 Cr. CMC will cost you around Rs 50Lacs (if no complications)

Also keep in mind post transplant followups. It's very difficult to go abroad for regular checkups. And if you do post check-ups with a local doctor in India, the chances of mis-communication go up.

The other important things is to consider Haplo transplant (ONLY if there is a half-matched related donor available AND a MUD is not an option due to time / money/donor constraints)

Haplo's are not very successful in India. Only doctor which I know of is Dr Shimon Slavin in Israel. He's very good. But go there only if there is no option.The final option is to consider Cord Blood transplant (ONLY if a MUD is not an option due to time / money/donor constraints)

Cord Blood is safer than Haplo's and more successful in young adults. Apollo Chennai has done it. Chances of getting cord blood match are also higher.

With your 10-Factor report, your TC doctors would have got a Primary search report from NMDP, USA. It shows the no. of people who match 10/10 or 9/10 or 8/10.

There are more than 13 Million donors listed with NMDP, globally. You can check with Tata Memorial and Dhatri.org also (but in parallel with NMDP search).

Day 35
Your TC doctors (you have no role to play here but only to keep checking with your doctor) will consult with NMDP and decide the "best matches" and ask NMDP to carry out further testing on those 1 or 2 individuals.

If money is not a constraint but time-to-transplant is then ask your doctor to carry out more no. of matched probable donors so that we don't lose time incase the donor is found unsuitable.

Testing of each proabable donor cost you around Rs 5 Lacs AND a couple of Months! So you decide what's more important here.

Your chemo cycles must be going on at this time.

You must be also doing fund raising activites in parallel. You have a minimum of 2-3 months from today for raising funds (if you are lucky to get the donor who is willing and fit to donate bone marrow / stem cells)

Assuming you reach and stay in remission for this period and before you hit the transplant center.

In these 2-3 months, while money & donor is getting arranged, you have awindow of opportunity to take care of your health. Eat well and take lots of rest and be mentally and physically as fit as you can for the upcoming transplant.

During this period of maximum uncertainity, it's very natural that you feel impatient & dis-satisfied with the slow progress on donor search & finalization. Your anxiety levels will go up. You'll bug your doctors for "any news?" Try to resist / minimise this as even the doctors have limited say in expediting this process. Apprecite their tight schedule and trust them.

Here, explore the chances of taking remaining chemo sessions, if any at the transplant center. It has it's benefits like the doctors know your pre-transplant history and this will help you in transplant treatment.

Day 60-150
You've found the donor (fit & willing). Doctors decide on Date of Transplant with the help of NMDP and your health and money readiness. Assume it's a month from now.


Day 120
You travel to the city of transplant. Find the rental appartment with atleast 1 AC room for the patient with a separate bathroom, a TV, fridge, cooking gas, buy utensils, grocery, kitchen/bedroom/etc stuff

(assume)
At Vellore you can get a decent 2 bedroom flat at Rs 9000-12000 per month with all facilities like AC/TV/Fridge/cots/Gas/bottled water. Expect your stay of atleast 6 months. The total cost would 
be around 2-3 lacs including occasional travel to your hometown.


Day 150
Your date of Transplant! Your new birthday!

(assume)
Day -7 ( 7 days prior to DoT) you'll be admitted for all round tests ENT, Eyes, hearing, heart, lungs, teeth, etc and given clean chit by respective doctors.

Also your pre-transplant myeloablative chemo & radiation will be carried out now. This will wipe out your 'sick' bone marrow completely so that the donor's new marrow can be transplanted.

You'll have to stay in a completely isolated unit (BMT Unit) for atleast 20 days (depending on how fast your blood counts improve and other complications).

This is one of most challenging period but certainly not the worst time. One of your relative can meet you for a couple of hours every day (ofcourse with proper sterilizated clothes etc)

Day 175
You are taken out of BMTU into a HIPAA filtered room (but not isolated like BMTU) for further treatment of GVHD, infections, etc

This will be one of the most challenging periods. It usually is for a period of 50-75 days. There will be innumerable x-rays, blood tests, etc. From day 150 you'll be on "food packets" till necessary. No oral food. You'll have to drink lots of water to avoid kidney complications during the entire transplant treatment.

Day 225-250
You are discharged from the hospital ! You can go to your "home" in the same city. Slowly you are back on track in terms of eating/sleeping walking in open sky, listening to birds and watching sunrise & sun-sets!

You need to go to hospital twice a week for dressing of "hickman's catheter" and blood tests.


Day 251
You can go back to your true home! And need to come back for monthly checkup at the TC and local weekly test at your city.

You look very different now. Bony, dark, bald and very weak. You're building watchman might not allow you inside (happened with me!)

You've won the initial battle. You still are not completely out of woods (danger) till 1st two years. You've to take care of Chronic GVHD & Infections and resultant complications. Also the chances of a relapse are high in this period. Let's accept it. There are many people who have undergone two or more transplants!

Limit the people who come to meet you. Don't be close to children and people with infections, markets, dust, pollens, humidity, etc. Wear face mask when ever you step out of house of meet people

Avoid raw fruits/vegetables/eggs etc. Expect your sleeping patters to remain heavily upset due to steroids etc. Keep track of your daily medication and take it religiously.

Depending on the complications, your monthly medical bills and travel cost will be Rs 50,000 -1lac per month on an average (including frequent hospitalization at your city or at TC) for 1st year atleast.

This entire experience will certainly bring a huge 'transformation' in your life! A positive one. You'll appreciate small things and put the 'usual' problems in their rightful place.

It's a very difficult battle but by no means unsurmountable! There are many more who win it today than ever before.

Thursday, August 11, 2011

People in Chennai - For Newly Diagnosed Patients call 'B Force'

Abstract from the article on Times of India - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Help-comes-calling-for-families-of-cancer-patients/articleshow/7740305.cms


The helpline, which was launched on March 5, is yet to get a dedicated number. But people can call 9840024585 or 9884009693. "We'll put them in touch with clinical psychologists or doctors, depending on their needs," says Biju. 


 Over the last three years, B Force has conducted health camps across the state and funds the treatment of 11 people. 


We need more initiatives like this.. 

Tuesday, August 9, 2011

Sudarshan Kriya - Post Chemo Treatment


It’s been proven that anti-oxidant helps fighting cancer... now the major cause of relapse of cancer is, there is a chance that few cancer cells are still present in body (even after 4 round of chemo). Here is the latest research on Sudarshan Kriya by Dr Vinod Kochupillai (head of cancer center at AIIMS)


Worth Trying.. 
                                                                                                                                                       

Monday, August 8, 2011

I like register my self as a bone marrow donor

I think, everyone related to a blood cancer patient asks this question, How can I register myself as a marrow donor?


Bone Marrow Transplant is the only effective curable treatment of Blood Cancer/ A-plastic anemia/ thalassemia.


Question: Can I become a donor?
Answer: You should be in good health and between 18 to 60 years of age. according to Dr.Beju George (CMC, Vellore), even if you suffering from hypertension or Sugar(Diabetes) you can become a donor provided your health is stable and disease is in controlled state.


Question: Whom to contact to become a stem cell donor?
Answer: I found this information of facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/122781516547/)


According to its active member :  if you are in Mumbai you can register yourself free of cost with MARROW DONOR REGISTRY INDIA. We have collection centres at TATA HOSPITAL, PAREL, RAHEJA HOSPITAL, DR SUNIL PAREKH'S CLINIC,OPERA HOUSE. MDRI CONTACT NOs: 65152695, 9223586076.




If you are in PUNE then Firdosh is working on registry as well
you can contact him here: http://www.cellsource.in/donor_registration.asp


I'll keep update this article in future, for the meantime if you have any query or need any help, drop an email : shashank.chaturvedi@gmail.com

Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Buccal Swabs for HLA Test


Following is reply from Nezih Cereb from Histogentics, as per my knowledge, we still do not have any lab providing complete high resolution DNA typing. Datri (http://www.datriworld.org) is closely working with them. CMC vellore, TATA (mumbai) all sends blood samples to Histogenetic for DNA test.


Q: How can we send our sample(buccal swabs) to your lab in US from India?
You can get in touch with Mr.Raghu Rajagopal, CEO of DATRI, @ +91 98 40218667 
 He can direct and guide about the sample collection and shipment

Q: What are the charges for the high resolution test?
Histogenetic : Special India pricing is $200/sample
Rs.10000/- (Rupees Ten Thousand only) for A,B,C,DRB1,DQB1 high resolution. The payment should be made before sending samples to our lab. Please mail the check/dd to our Chennai office address as below.
            Histogenetics India Pvt. Ltd.
            #309-316, Ticel Bio Park
            Taramani Road, Taramani,
            Chennai – 600 113.

The check/dd should be in favour of  Dr. Nezih Vahid Cereb



Q: How much time does it takes to get the reports?
5 business days after receiving the sample at the lab

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

Nezih Cereb, MD
President
Histogeneitcs
nezih@histogenetics.com